Why did you start U-Haul Gallery?
James: When you live in New York for any amount of time, you become hyper-aware of the cost of a square foot. It's unavoidable, especially as an artist, because you're not just renting an apartment, you're also trying to rent studio space, exhibition space, and you start to see how time, money and art all intersect.
I had my own art practice, and I was getting really burnt out trying to do what I thought I was 'supposed' to be doing. Locking myself in a studio, making as much work as possible, and paying for that space. After a few studio moves, some friends and I got scammed by a landlord. He took two months' rent and then told us the building was being sold, so we had to leave.
So I rented a U-Haul to move my stuff out, and I put a painting in the back. Standing there, I had this moment of realisation: this is space. Like, literally, this is a meaningful amount of space – something I'd been obsessing over at that point. Around that time, I went to some openings at small galleries in Chinatown, tiny spaces – about the size of a U-Haul – but they were paying five or six thousand dollars a month in rent. From an economic standpoint, it just clicked for me. I thought, wait, I could just get a U-Haul and do a show, and I wouldn't be tied to one location.
I told some friends about it, and they were like, "Okay, now you have to do it." Which was great! Sometimes you just need to say an idea out loud so you're committed to it. And that's how I ended up doing the first show.
How did you two meet?
James: I started doing a series of shows, and that's around the time Jack and I met. A mutual friend introduced us because Jack had curated a show with a friend who lives in London and goes to the RA (Royal Academy of Arts).
Jack: Yeah, the show was made up of things people had stolen from their jobs. It started as an open call for anyone who had taken something from work. I'd been trying to find a gallery in New York willing to host it, but everyone kept saying no. Then a mutual friend connected me with James, and he was immediately into it. We planned the show together and even made a small book to help offset some of the costs and to document the exhibition, since, obviously, you can't take home someone else's stolen object. But we could show them. And from there, we just hit it off right away. There was a lot of synergy, dynamism and energy between us.

















